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Hi Everyone,

Im new to the forum and photography, I have recently just bought a Canon 450D with a standard lense kit and I am having problems understanding Aperture and Shutter speed cobinations.

I was told to use a small F-stop and a fast shutter speed for less depth of field, so I tried this setting yesterday and my picture came out black. I was just doing some test shooting so was shooting at home and the lights were on. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks in advance and I apologise if there is an obvious answer to this that I have totally missed.

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DOF is controlled by several aspects. The 3 you need to pay attention to are: aperture, focal length, and focusing distance. DOF gets shallower as: aperture size is increased (smaller f/#), focal length gets longer, and focusing distance gets closer. Shutter speed does not influence DOF.

Aperture controls DOF and exposure. Shutter controls time (how movement is rendered) and exposure. ISO is a third exposure control.

If you were doing your shots outdoors in the sun a low ISO or high shutter speed would be necessary, but in dim, indoor lighting the required shutter speeds will be slower/ISO higher.

Study up on how aperture, shutter, and ISO work together to control exposure. It's in your camera manual, any book about photography, and on a million websites...

http://photo.net/learn/basic-photo-tips/aperture-shutterspeed-iso/
Hey Matt,

thanks for replying and posting the link - much appreciated, I will have look and experiment on aperture, shutter, and ISO work together to control exposure.
A small F-stop limits the amount of light that is let through to the sensor. A fast shutter speed also limits the amount of light that is let through. Of course your images are black - you are not letting in any light at all!

If you use a smaller aperture, you have to slow down the shutter to let in light over more time to compensate or you will get an underexposed picture. And vice versa, if you open up the aperture you must use a faster shutter speed to compensate or you will get an overexposed picture. Aperture and shutter speed are linked; more of the one means less of the other.

ISO is the third variable that is linked... you can use a smaller aperture AND a faster shutter speed, but in that case you have to use a higher ISO to compensate for the minimal light that is let through to the sensor.
Hi Staale - many thanks for your reply, so what would be the best setting to use if I wanted to keep something in focus (e.g, building) and the rest of the background blurred out?
So what you are wanting is a shallow Depth of Field (DOF). You are probably best switching the camera to Aperture Priority (Av on a Canon) and then setting the f value to as low a number as your lens will allow. The camera will then automatically set the shutter speed so that you get the correct exposure. If you want to change the exposure a little use the exposure compensation adjustment (read the manual). If the shutter speed is too slow you may need to adjust the ISO setting where the higher ISO will allow the shutter speed to be faster. Beware of using an ISO much above 400 as you will start to get noise in the images.

Good Luck
Thank Colin, that was very helpful, will give it a go.
Jas, I bought the same camera about 9 months ago, also my first and had the same questions. What I found out is GENERALLY f11 will start blurring your background pretty good. There is a DOF button on the front of your camera that will show you what area in the shot will be out of focus. And Generally f6 will keep things straight. shutter speed depends on available light, low light means you need more time to get the photons to the sensor, slower shutter speed. Too much light getting to the sensor will over expose your picts so you need to speed up your shutter.

There are no set in stone recipe for any shot, only what's worked for others.

Make your own :)
Hey Linda,

Thanks for the tip, I tried it and it works a treat, much appreciated.
It greatly depends. Generally, for a given aperture, a wide-angle lens gives a great depth of field while a long tele lens gives a small depth of field. Similary, for a given focal length, a close subject gives a small depth of field and a distant subject gives a large depth of field.

Keeping a building in focus and throwing the background out of focus is, in my opinion, iffy. A building is a large object, so you pretty much have to shoot it from a distance which means that depth of field is inherently large. Or you can stand close with an ultrawide-angle, which again means large inherent depth of field! If will certainly be difficult to get the subject to 'pop' out of a diffuse background.

In general though, use a 50mm lens or longer and an aperture of f/8 or thereabouts, this should give you a sharp subject and a moderately unsharp background when shot at close range. The longer the lens, the closer the subject and the further away the background is, the more unsharp the background will be. Opening up the aperture gives you a more blurred background but focusing becomes more critical and you may find that you cannot get the entire subject sharp.

http://www.pbase.com/ssanneru/image/115004746
(50mm, f/8, on a film Leica with a lens made in 1956. Modern stuff will be sharper in this situation)

For the ultimate in unsharp backgrounds do an f/5.6-f/8 head-and-torso shot with a really long lens against a distant background, like this (350mm focal length, subject was perhaps 10 meters away from the camera):

http://www.pbase.com/ssanneru/image/99606836
http://www.pbase.com/ssanneru/image/99606837

Or get something really exotic like the 85mm f/1.2L and shoot it wide open across the table:
http://www.pbase.com/ssanneru/image/87569405

Of course, his ears are far out of focus!

(These photos were taken with 5D and 1Ds mk II cameras, full-frame ones, which gives about one and one third stops' worth smaller depth of field than a crop camera like yours does.)
The greatest teacher: shoot, experiment & learn. Shoot alot and learn some more. Be your own best critic.

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