Picture Social Uploads...Can't tell if it is me or if there is an issue

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Permalink Reply by Sherry Webb on October 10, 2010 at 9:37pm

I just found a common denominator for the photos that look flat and blah on Picture Social. While I did process them in LR, I also clicked on ... edit in .... and the photo was sent to a trial copy of Photoshop CS5...a couple same edits here and save as a JPEG. Then, I uploaded to Picture Social and voila ... flat and dull but, the other sites no problem. If I don't send it to CS5 and just export from Lightroom...when I upload to Picture Social...there is no issue. Weird. HELP

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Permalink Reply by CameraClicker on October 10, 2010 at 9:57pm

Perhaps in CS5 you have to assign a profile under Edit? Or perhaps you assigned an unsuitable profile? There is a definite colour shift between the ones at other sites and this site. When I remember to assign a profile I set Adobe sRGB. Elements set a profile by default. CS5 seemingly does not.

I don't use Lightroom. I open files in Camera Raw, then in CS5 and have uploaded them here without assigning a profile and think they still look OK.

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Permalink Reply by Sherry Webb on October 10, 2010 at 10:09pm

Thank you very much....I will start looking around CS5 ... atleast now I know where to start. Glad to hear you are seeing what I see about the color shift...I have been recalibrating all my monitors etc etc trying to figure out the issue...now I can stop hopping from place to place and go to the root cause.

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Permalink Reply by Gary Vernon on October 11, 2010 at 3:33am

CC, there is either Adobe 98 RGB or sRGB for the web, never "Adobe sRGB"
Sherry you have to look at your colour management in Photoshop - edit / colour settings.

'Profoto' is a colour space that needs keeping in a cage unless you are on top of your colour management settings throughout your workflow.
A good choice for exporting from Lightroom and the industry standard would be the Adobe 98 colour space which is a higher gamut than sRGB, set your 'working space' in PS as Adobe 98 and at the end of your editing you can save a copy for the web in sRGB by simply going to - edit / convert to profile / sRGB.
In PS the simplest way until you become more proficient would be to 'preserve embedded profiles' in edit / colour settings / colour management policies..

I'll try find an illustration of the settings and mail it to you later in the day - in PS you can check in your document window - bottom left, the colour space your image is tagged in at any stage.

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Permalink Reply by CameraClicker on October 11, 2010 at 5:57am

Gary is right. Just sRGB, not Adobe sRGB. Looking at Color Settings, I see why it still works when I forget to assign a color space. My camera is set to sRGB. These are the windows in PS:

Color Settings:

Convert to Profile:

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Permalink Reply by Sherry Webb on October 11, 2010 at 9:21am

Thank you Camera Clicker and Gary....this is very kind of you and very helpful. I will go into both LR and CS5 and make the adjustments.

I am definately keeping the Light Room software (already purchased it) but, I am not sure if I will purchase the CS5 when the trail version time is up. Photoshop Elements seems to work just fine for me and my needs and I am alot more comfortable with it. It comes down to; is there a cost benefit to purchasing the CS5 or keeping what I have. I can't see that there is and the money would probably be better used towards another Alien Bee or something.

Still, there will be a learning curve with the LR but that is okay to....come to think of it I'm still learning with elements everyday.

Once again guys thank you so much for your help and the screen prints..I am a visual person as this is perfect

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Permalink Reply by CameraClicker on October 11, 2010 at 5:45pm

I was using Elements. I wanted the noise correction in Camera Raw 6 that comes with either Lightroom or CS5. I tried both and Lightroom did not do things I wanted to do and otherwise messed up my work flow. CS5 does what I want and solves unique printing problems I had with Elements while leaving me with the same basic work flow I used with Elements. There are a number of things I used to do with Elements that I find easier with CS5, and a few things that were more straight forward in Elements. I am still finding my way around CS5.

If you can get everything you want out of Elements and Lightroom, why bother with CS5 and the extra cost?

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Permalink Reply by Sherry Webb on October 11, 2010 at 9:02pm

Yes, after using the trial version....I am not using CS5 for much at all...and those things I am using CS5 for are available in Elements...so you are correct...I can't find many reasons right now to purchase the software.

I may however have to upgrade my Elements software to version 9 or something...Elements 7 doesn't seem to recognize the CR2 file format that my new camera produces. On my Canon 40D and Xti, Elements never had an issue with the CR2 files...it will not however read or import any CR2 files from my 7D. I may have to google that question...re why it doesn't read the 7D files.

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Permalink Reply by CameraClicker on October 12, 2010 at 3:29am

The 7D has the same sensor as my T2i. I have not seen Elements 9, but you do have to upgrade to Elements 8 in order for the Camera Raw plug in that recognizes the RAW files to work. Adobe state that on the download page:

"The Camera Raw 6.2 plug-in is not compatible with versions of Photoshop earlier than Photoshop CS5, versions of Photoshop Elements earlier than Photoshop Elements 8.0, or versions of Premiere Elements earlier than 8.0. "

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Permalink Reply by Sherry Webb on October 12, 2010 at 6:41am

I figured as much...LOL. There are so many "other" costs when you buy a new camera...software, battery grips (if you use them), additional batteries (1 just isn't enough); remote shutter releases and on and on.

Gary, that is a good point....16 bit workflow as compared to 8 bit. I have 20 days left on the trial version of CS5...I may warm up more to it by that time as I have several hundred photos to work on dating back to mid August. I've been spending lots of time while the weather is still nice ... sneaking out and doing day hikes...it's all starting to pile up...not to mention other work that I've done and have to keep up on.

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Permalink Reply by Gary Vernon on October 12, 2010 at 3:56am

Hi Sherry,
the reason many people use CS5 is that it gives you a full 16bit worklow as opposed to the majority of filters in Elements being only 8 bit.

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Permalink Reply by Sherry Webb on October 11, 2010 at 10:15am

Alright...I think I have it. I went through and found everything that refered to ProPhoto in LR....there was nothing in CS5 that referred to it. Made the changes to Adobe 98 Color Space.

I then took opened a photo that I had previously uploaded that had been processed in LR and clicked edit in CS5, did an unsharp mask step and saved as..... Uploaded the photo to Picture Social....

http://www.picturesocial.com/photo/fixed-1?context=album&albumI...

I don't see any color shift at all and it matches what I see on my monitor.

So, with your expert help I would say my problem is fixed.

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