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I agree with what you said CameraClicker, I do enjoy the swivel screen on my 60D because it totally protects the screen when not in use. A touch screen would not be any use to me, I don't use Live View, at least not so far although I do shoot close to the ground on mushrooms and stuff. I use an Extreme Pro 16GB SDHC card and with no video that will more than accomodate a full days shooting in RAW with no problem.
I only shoot for myself so no one is asking for video and I wouldn't take it if they did. I've never used a CF card so I don't know if they are better or not. I'm sure I'll love my 7D if I ever get one, they have us cut down to 4 days a week at work and I'll be laid off soon. Maybe when I get my tax return at the end of Feb. I hope they're still around then. I buy some from KEH.com. They're used stuff is as advertised and they have good prices. I just looked at a webstore called AJRichies in New York state, they have NEW 7Ds for $744. USA warrenty. Ever hear of them?
I shot an event on Friday night. I went expecting to shoot a bunch of stills. When I arrived, they thought I should shoot a video of a Chinese Fan Dance they were performing. Having a 5D Mk III, I just threw a switch and did the movie for them.
It has dual card slots, one CF and one SDHC. That means I have some flexibility.
In camera HDR isn't all that exciting but since it keeps the shots it builds from, and they can be raw, it is convenient to get the files and they can be combined again later.
I was playing with a T3i the other day, I can see there are times a touch screen would be useful.
A tilt and swivel monitor would be wonderful. My CoolPIX cameras had that. It let me shoot a deer while staying out of sight. It is also helpful for shooting over a crowd or shooting landscapes, cars and so on from really low positions. I shot the atrium of a cruise ship with a really wide lens, with the camera on the deck, aimed up. It took several tries to get it just so. If the monitor tilted, I could have used live view and nailed it on the first pass. That is a great feature! Your cloths stay cleaner if you don't have to lie on the ground.
Feature modes? I use M, Av and P. If movie is on the mode dial, I sometimes use it too. On the 5D, movie is on the Live View button. I don't bother with the rest of the modes. Two of my bodies only have M, another has only M, Av, Tv, and P. The others have a collection of settings I don't use. I'm sure someone else uses them on their camera. Having them there doesn't seem to hurt me and if they sell a few more cameras because they are there, then my cost might be a little lower.
1/8000th is great for bees and humming birds! Getting enough light can be tough though.
So far the 5D Mk III has the best video Canon has put into a dSLR and it certainly doesn't seem to have hurt any of the still camera features.
But adding video features is not taking away anything from the still camera. Canon has the features.. it is a matter of where they are going to put them in the line-up. They may view some of those things as Pro features.. and would not put them in cameras below a certain point, regardless of what they do with video. It is a sales/marketing/brand decision.. not a technology issue. And certainly not a video issue.
I don't think that video will nullify the still capability but, there are several aspects of a still camera which I would much rather see than any bells and whistles aimed at video work.
1. Ability to auto-focus at f/8 which would allow me to use a 400mm f/5.6L lens with a 1.4x TC and still retain auto focus...
2. ISO at 50 or even 25 which would allow me to shoot long exposures without using a ND filter..
3. Dual memory card slots (BTW I like CF cards - they are virtually indestructible)
The above are perfectly feasible. Some of the 1D series cameras have these capabilities. However they would not help video so, why bother with them.
I wonder how many user selected modes that the 7D has. The 40D has 3; the 50D has 2; and the 60D reduced it to a single mode. The 7D retains the three User Selected modes of the 40D and I use these all the time. I wish someone would enlighten me regarding the number of User Selected Modes on the 70D. I cannot fin that information anywhere...
I the 7D has a far more sophisticated auto focus system for still shooting. Although the AF system of the 7D is not as good for video (one nullification of still capability).
I need touch screen capability like I need a third leg or eleven toes...
The creative filters: Grainy B/W, Soft Focus, Fish-Eye effect, Art Bold effect, Water Painting effect, Toy Camera effect or Miniature effect cannot be used with RAW or when you are using a viewfinder. This doesn't nullify the still camera functionality but it certainly doesn't add to it either!
I don't need or want an articulating LCD.
As far as "in-camera" HDR, I think that this is what I need along with the 12th toe!
I paid a lot less for my 7D cameras than the cost of a new 7D since I purchased them as Canon refurbished items. THE SMARTEST WAY TO BUY CANON CAMERAS AND LENSES...
I am not a necessarily a fan of snapshot.com for comparing cameras but here are the reasons they offer to buy the 70D:
Touch screen, Flip out screen, In-camera HDR, Movie continuous focus
These are the reasons they list to buy the 7D:
Rapd fire 8 FPS, 100% Viewfinder coverage, 131 ms shutter lag, faster shutter speed 1/8000 second
Note: I seldom need 1.8000 second to stop motion but sometimes need it to shoot wide open in brightly lit conditions.
Just curious what everybody thinks that they can do to these cameras with video that will some how nullify the still camera functionality.. ?
Thanks for the feedback Richard and Oisin. Sorry I missed you yesterday. I completely agree with Richard, that's what I'm afraid of too. I worry the dedicated STILL camera is a thing of the past and want to get mine before they are gone!! Do they still make the 7D or is it out of production? Any guesses?
John, I signed up in my local Calumet store a couple of months ago. It can take a while for a particular 'B' stock model to come in. Checked with them last week and was told I was now at the top of their list in my store, Don't think you can do it online.
How do you sign up with Calumet?
Thanks Richard, That's more or less the way I have been looking at things. Have my name down for a 7d 'B Class' with Calumet which is basically a demonstration model used by sales staff for demonstrations but is then refurbished and guaranteed by Canon.
Mike and Oisin.
I shoot with two DSLR cameras and have always shot with different models of Canon cameras. I used a 30D and a 40D, then upgraded to a 7D and still used my 7D. I finally bit the bullet regarding the 7D and purchased a second model of that camera. For the first time I am shooting with two identical cameras which makes things a lot more simple; both use the same batteries etc....
I decided to get the second 7D (both were purchased as Canon refurbished units and thus were less expensive) because the way that Canon is evolving towards video capabilities, I fully expect the 7D II or what ever it is called to be a better video camera at the expense of still capabilities.
So while others are waiting for the 7D II to come along, I am happily shooting with my 7D cameras. The nice thing is that, contrary to some opinions, a camera doesn't cease functioning as soon as a new model is introduced. Even if the 7D II is the best thing since sliced bread, the 7D will still be a darn good camera.
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